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2017 'Codference'...Shepparton.

Discussion in 'Fishing in Victoria' started by Rod Bender, Aug 20, 2017.

  1. Rod Bender

    Rod Bender Well-Known Member

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    Hi all!

    It is on! December 10th...2017, in Shepparton, Victoria. What is a 'codference' you may ask? Well it is a conference hosted by Fisheries Victoria which discusses Murray cod! Last year was good and I will be going this year. I have not seen a list of speakers yet but I will post when it becomes available.
    cheers
    Team Bender
    Expecting an invite to present a talk!
     
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  2. AWL

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    It's great to see them doing this again :cool:
    Be better if they could do it before the season opens though.
     
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    How many cod get to speak?
    ;)
     
  4. creekboy

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    Only trout cod, but must not be undersize. ?. Cheers, creekboy.
     
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  5. Rod Bender

    Rod Bender Well-Known Member

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    Not sure what you mean?
     
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  6. creekboy

    creekboy Well-Known Member

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    Trout cod are a protected fish, so therefor there is no size, thus the ?.
     
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    I was going to ask them about the timing but I think I know the reasoning. They would do it in the season so people attending from far away may choose to arrive early...fish for cod on the Saturday and stay overnight for the conference. At least one of the presenters last year fished the day before and there was some publicity generated from that. Same for the trout do as well I think. Trying to get people out their fishing before or after the event.
    Cheers
    Jim
     
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  9. Rod Bender

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    Not too long to go now and am looking forward to it! Team AJ and Team Bender will be there to report on proceedings.
    Cheers
    Jim
     
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  10. AWL

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    Be looking forward to the report back from you boy's:cool:
     
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  11. Rod Bender

    Rod Bender Well-Known Member

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    Not long to go now! These are the freebies that are given to the people attending.
    codference.jpg
    Cheers
    Team Bender
    The freebies go part of the way to ease my pain of not being invited to speak at the event!
     
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  12. diesel

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    I was trying to work out why they gave everybody a hat with the name TIM on it, until the penny dropped.

    T1M :- Target One Million. A bit early in the day to work out some things and besides, I have an excuse for being a bit slow at times - I'm a Queenslander :D

    Looking forward to your report of the proceedings Jim.

    Jeff :cool:
     
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  13. Rod Bender

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    Been there, done that! Attendance wasn't too bad...I thought maybe the same as last year or slightly less. A fisheries person told me that the number was around 300. There is a difference with the cod crowd vs the Talk Trout conference crowd. More kids at the cod talk and more women as well including...wait..................for..............................it........hot chicks!:rolleyes:

    Anyway, I knew I had no chance with said hot chicks so settled in and paid attention. Steve Starling was the first to speak. He gave an outline of how cod fishing has changed from the days of set lines etc to current days. Interesting subject matter but nothing I can translate here.

    The next presentation by a fisheries staff member outlined our 'flagship' native fisheries. Established premier locations listed were Eildon, Kerang Lakes and the Ovens River. Lake Nagambie got a mention as an up and coming hotspot! Several other locations were named including Lake Eppalock and Gunbower Creek. These locations are sites which are being improved by improving habitat and stocking.

    Rocklands Reservoir is being stocked with cod. This was dependent on a risk assessment as from what I understand...this area does not fall within the cod's normal area. So....during the break I asked fisheries stocking guru if it was possible to have bass stocked in Shepparton as they have set a precedent! Normally native fish are only stocked in the areas they occur naturally. Anyway, fisheries stocking guru said that they believe that the precedent had been set...then people are going to be asking for cod to be stocked everywhere!

    A North Central CMA person delivered a presentation of an effort to improve the conditions in Gunbower and Pyramid Creeks. These are creeks which are utilised as irrigation channels and were void of snags in a lot of stretches. Areas were resnagged and fish ladders were installed ar weirs. Previously during winter there would be minimal flow and we now see some environmental releases at this time. The result...not only are cod travelling through the system (this was an objective to connect waterways), but fish are taking up residence in the 'channels'!

    The next presentation gave an overview of how our RFL money is spent. Figures were provided in regards to where the money goes with obvious expenditure on stocking and enforcement as well as funding funding VRFish and Fishcare Victoria.

    Next up was a fisheries staff member discussing a new study which will last for 3 years. This basically involves electro fishing 10 different rivers and monitoring over time native fish numbers. Some rivers that are on the study are the lower Goulburn, Ovens and Gunbower Creek. The data collected gives fisheries a snapshot of what is happening. Data so far for the Goulburn indicates evidence of cod spawning...no surprise. Trout cod were captured at 5 (out of 11) sites and are more prevalant below Nagambie. Silver perch were captured in low abundance at 7 sites.

    The Yarra yielded a small amount of cod with only one being of legal size. Maccas numbers were low compared to historical data and there was not one legal size macca captured. The Ovens River showed very promising results. As the survey continues, the data will be made public online so anglers can make decisions on which waters are going to get smashed!:confused:

    A Queensland fisheries biologist gave a presentation on improving habitat in lakes. As he was talking I was thinking about a local impoundment, Waranga Basin...then wullah...pics of it appeared on the screen! This guy spent time in the U S looking at what they do. Reality is, there are many lakes which are void of structure. Methods described included simple means of dropping weighted branches into the water (from boats...not massive barges with cranes) to felling trees (dead) on the water edge. Also leaving felled trees on dry lake beds so when the lake fills there is structure. This method avoids the great expense which is required if the tree needs to be floated out and sunk.

    A pic was shown of a 'fish hotel' prior to sinking. For those who are not aware, this is a log structure, basically like 4 walls of a cabin which is submerged. What they have found with these is that often a large fish will take up residence in the centre and the hotel is full! New designs based on the same principle have been constructed which will house several largish fish.

    A new program...'Care for cod' was launched. This was based on a vet's report who was commissioned to write up a procedure to increase the chances of released fish's survival. In a nutshell, the first point is to be prepared. Common sense really, have your pliers, camera, brag mat etc out and ready. It is suggested not to use lip grips....knot less rubber landing nets should be used unless you can lift the fish by hand (with gloves). Support the belly...the stuff most of us know already. Protect the fishes skin by not placing it on hot or dry surfaces. To me this also means not resting it on you knee firmly pressed up against you shirt for a pic!

    If the cod needs to be removed from the water, try to keep air exposure to less than 30 seconds. When reviving the fish, don't move the fish forward and backwards in the water. It needs forward motion as that is how the gills work! When fishing with bait use large circle hooks and regardless of your technique, use the appropriate gear! Gear that will ensure you get the cod in reasonably quick and do not fight it to the point of exhaustion. I believe this is critical and am changing my ways which were developed fishing in the local channels chasing redfin with light gear.

    Then we had the carp update! I am not going into too much detail as I reported on the event held here a month or more ago. But something I may have missed last time...in the final 24 - 36 hours of the carp when it is in it's death bed, it will be floating! And lab results showed that 100 % of carp that died when infected floated. However, in the wild, some may sink if partly eaten by water rats etc. I guess their swim bladder will be punctured. Also worth noting, for the first time I heard that they realise the cleanup will require a massive commercial/industrial effort rather than relying on angler groups like it has been suggested before.

    The last few session were interesting, however, I can not really translate much of it to here. Talks about how things have changed and about the culture involved with cod fishing.

    Some other things to come out of the day were as follows. As usual, someone asked when will it be legal to catch Trout cod. Previously, the normal response was maybe never as there are some groups out there that are a bit over protective of our little cheese pinching critters. These are also not fishing groups that offer resistance. But today, fisheries guy said that perhaps the little munchkins are now perhaps over-populated in some areas and....wait....for...it...Vic fisheries may be in discussion with other groups regarding having an open season! But this will take a while!

    Talking to one of the fisheries guys during the break I asked if they had looked at trying to stop natives entering the irrigation channel system. He said yes...but there was nothing much they could do!:) I also asked him when Waranga Basin was going to be stocked with yellas as fisheries had mentioned it on Facebook a while ago. Apparently it may not be stocked as local feedback they acquired said it would wreck the redfin fishery that it is!

    Overall it was a good day. They said the event will continue. Anyway, me be tired now so this will have to do.
    Cheers
    Team Bender
    Remains hot chick...less!
     
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  14. creekboy

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    Great report there, Jim. Very interesting with new cod stocking in non cod areas. Cheers, creekboy.
     
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    Thank's very much for the comprehensive report there Bender:cool::cool:
    The rocklands thing smells a bit to me,goes against all they have done over the years with cod stockings.I read from VR fish:rolleyes: that it has the potential to be as good as lake eildon.I dont buy that.Just look at the difference in size of the 2.There is no closed season on eildon due to the fact that they don't appear to breed in there.Fair enough.But they can breed and come and go from the streams that come into eildon(natural recruitment) because they are native to those waters,unlike rocklands.
    Putting them in as fingerlings and growing them out to legal size and sustaining the fishery will take some time and a lot of fish,which won't be stocked in there native streams .Me thinks there is some self interest's involved in this and possibly the potential to make a $$ is having an influence.What's wrong with yella's & silvers.
    You still got to buy a license to catch them.

    Team AWL
    my thought's and my thought's only.
     
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    As you mentioned, there is some breeding that takes place in Eildon but it is not that much. I can remember fisheries talking about it at one of their forums. They captured 100 cod and checked to see if they were wild fish or stocked fish. The exact figure escapes me now but I think it was less than 5 % wild fish.

    As for self interest in making $$$ for individuals, I don't think any local business's in the area would have enough influence...BUT...after the barra stocking at Hazelwood and talk about how much the overall area will benefit, I think you may be right. But I think it is the government pushing for this (injecting cash into local economies) rather than Rocky from Rocklands Caravan Park!

    It was mentioned that the risk assessment found that the creeks flowing into rocklands were full of 'pest fish'. So no natives will be harmed when th cod infiltrate! No doubt yellas and Silver perch would so do the same job on the pest fish! I assume these 2 natives do occur naturally in the area?

    Last but not least, I think one of the biggest influences is public demand. People in the area want to be able to catch cod. I myself, like others prefer to make do and catch whatever appears locally. But when fisheries post on Facebook and say 5 gazillion cod have been stocked into Eildon, 3 gazillion people say can you please stick some into rocklands, or the yarra, or my local swimming pool! And then the Facebook bun fight starts! I must say I deleted my account about 3 weeks ago and am not missing it! Anyway, I have no doubt their decision is based on popular demand.

    On another note, I am surprised Team AWOL has not mentioned the possibility of there being an open season on Trout cod! I thought you would be stocking up on cheese as we speak!
    Cheers
    Team Bender
    Thinks AWOL should get a Facebook account and do a serious of trout handling videos!
     
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  17. AWL

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    No problem with Rocky at the caravan park or the local tackle shop, butcher,baker,servo,bottle'o making a few $$ out of it at all,in fact i reckon it's a good thing for regional areas:D
    My concern is at the next level up,not so much individuals,but where the $$ from our licences could be used to "steer" thing's in certain idealogical direction's,depending on the govt of the time and it's way of thinking/alliances.Ego's can and do get involved in these things at times.Would hate to see the day come where cod fishing became the exclusive domain of stocked impoundments only.I said from the start that the whole barra in hazelwood was gonna end in tears and a big waste of $$.Guess it boosted a few ego's though:rolleyes:
    Don't think the trout cod numbers are good enough in vic waters to warrant an open season,that is something that should be left to ex brood stock stocked lakes.
    Biggest problem would be that they would need to make a different size limit. 55-75 trout cod are few and far between.Making trout cod legal at say 30cm+ would end in the massacre of undersize cod by d!ckheads who cant tell the difference:(

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    won't be doing facebook in this lifetime.
     
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    So, what was the outcome of the Hazelwood barra bullsh!t thing? Did many fish survive after the water cooled and was it open slather fishing for one and all?

    Jeff :cool:
     
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    I really have no idea what happened to the fish Jeff.As far as i know they didn't open it up for a free for all once the power station closed down and the hot water stopped coming out.It's right down the other end of the state from where i am.Was lots of controversy from the start with "so called big name fisho's" (am i allowed to call paul worsteling a w@nker on here) and cronies from various groups that purport to represent the average vic fisho, fishing in a prohibited area before it,the pondage, was even open to the public, as a "promotion" The area they fished was never opened to the public and fisheries did quite well out of fining people that went into that area.
    Even though the chosen ones where shown on tv fishing there as a "promotion"
    To me it made as much sense as stocking trout in the daly river because there was a cold snap up there.
    WOFTAM in my opinion

    Cheers AWL
     
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  20. Rod Bender

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    Not much I can say!
    Cheers
    Team Bender
    In awe of Team AWOL's logic...but don't tell him I said that!:eek:
     
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