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Boat advice estuary/bay/offshore

Discussion in 'Boats' started by Garfield28, May 9, 2018.

  1. Garfield28

    Garfield28 Member

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    HI All,

    Would like some advice on a good all rounder boat.



    I currently have a 5.2 Savage escort with a Merc 125 saltwater series outboard, plenty of power and room, I love her but she's just too big and heavy.

    I used to fish mainly every weekend with my son who is 19, but he has recently found love and has brushed me, so I haven't been out as much as I would like mainly due to me having troubles launching and retrieving by myself.

    The boat and motor combined are really heavy to tow on my wifes 4 cylinder Kia, it does do it but chews and extra tank of fuel whenever I tow it, add to that the cost of fuel for the outboard, ice bait etc and it makes for an expensive day, which isn't so bad when its split between 2 fishos.

    What I am looking for is a boat that is decent brand aluminium boat that I can fish the bay/river but also get outside on a half decent day also, I'd really like to have something that can handle at least a 90hp outboard (4 stroke) be in the 4.75 - 5m, 5+ meter range for about $20,000 if it is really good buy I may be able to stretch that a couple more grand but ideally would like not to have to.

    I want something I can launch and retrieve fairly easy on my own, something I can fish the estuaries for bread and butter fish like flatties, whiting etc and also drop crab pots in tight places.

    I'm half wanting a centre console for the fishing space it offers if I were to have a few extra on board, but realistically that is very rarely the case, so I like boats like the Stacer Nomad type shape or the Quintrex renegade also but not sure how they'd handle things outside and whether or not they are a half comfortable ride in chop.

    I like the cabin style boats also, I like how you're up nice and high and see where you are going without having to stand up rather than sit down, I like that they offer cover but wonder about the weight of them and launching and retrieving those type boats if that would put me in the same pickle I am now.

    Any advice or boats that people can mention or recommend would be really appreciated, as I know there are so many to choose from but I don't really know half the models I should be looking at.



    Thanks

    Geoff
     
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  2. diesel

    diesel Well-Known Member

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    Dropping down from a 5.2m to a 4.75m wont necessarily solve your launching/retrieving problem, Geoff. Both the Nomad and Renegade are heavy boats and with a 90hp on the back plus all your gear, you could be looking at a rig that weighs up over 750 kg and possibly more. A more manageable sized boat for one person to handle would be something in the 4.2m to 4.5m with a 60hp and it would tick all the boxes for you, especially as the ideal estuary craft.

    I've had a couple of boats around the 5m mark that were great to fish from, but a real pain in the butt if I just wanted to have a quick run up a river or set some pots. I had a 5.2m Caribbean Crestcutter with 115hp Suzuki, a very comfortable boat offshore, but bloody heavy to tow, almost impossible to launch or retrieve on my own if the wind came up and used a lot of fuel. I dropped down to a 4.6m Quintrex Coast Runner with a 60hp Yamaha and as much as I liked the old Caribbean, the Quintrex made things a lot easier for me. I could still get outside with it on a good day and it gave me access to estuary spots that the bigger boat couldn't get into.

    Jeff
     
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  3. Garfield28

    Garfield28 Member

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    I'm starting to wonder if instead of probably losing about $6,000 on my boat from what I paid for it, if I should now maybe keep it and re power it with a four stroke outboard [​IMG]

    I would need a new trailer or need to get work done on the undercarriage of mine as she has a bit of rust and not sure she'll pass rego this time, and maybe I could look into one of the drive on drive off trailers someone suggested on another forum, not sure how they work and how much extra they are to buy, but maybe should have a squiz...and I would definitely want to somehow raise the height of my seats if it can be done, as I am tired of standing up to drive when the conditions are a bit blowy, as the back of my legs rub against the chair and it gets very irritating, but I cannot see if I'm moving along when I sit down, I need to stand up to have a clear view.
     
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  4. reelaxation

    reelaxation Well-Known Member

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    Instead of selling or repowering why not get a better tow vehicle for the money?

    I guess you can throw $$$$ at a boat to make it suit your purposes and more comfy etc. etc. but if your tow vehicle isnt quite up to the task then there is really no point upgrading anything, you have to start at the front end and work your way back IMHO. Ive made the mistake od doing it the other way round and lost around $10k on a beautiful Easy Rider with a 200 because I didnt foreplan my tow vehicle. I regret it and when I sold the boat I upgraded my tow vehicle and went down to a 16 foot Haines Hunter. Now my vehicle is complete overkill as I dont have the boat and Im pushing 25L/100km in a pertol Land Cruiser that is just too expensive to run around for work... I am planning to downgrade (or upgrade) to a 8 seater Deisel Prado in the not too distant future- then save some coin and buy a Haines Hunter V19C for the offshore and reef fishing.

    The more additions you add to the boat the heavier it will be and the more costly to run and tow respectively- having a good capable tow vehicle is far more important than having all the bells and whistles on any boat. You can do minor upgrades to boats as you go, but you cannot do the same to your tow vehicle.

    Good luck with the decision mate

    Anthony
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  5. blair

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  6. Garfield28

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    The car is an issue but when its not towing my big heavy boat, it sucks about 7L/100km and it is more my wife's car than mine so she may not like me selling it and buying a bigger car that feels like a truck to her.

    I'm stuck with this decision, I'm tossing up maybe keeping mine and putting up with the heavy tow once a week which is all it usually is, but I just don't know.

    I in so many ways want a lighter boat but really don't know if I'll enjoy a plate or pressed boat after only ever owning 2 glass boats. I think I'd like a smaller glass half cabin but don't want to lose the fishing space up the back and I know they don't have much because of the cab, but really like the thought of doing a few overnighters in the bay with the wife or with my son, so I can fish for Jew at night and then wake up first thing in the morning and just head straight out for a snapper fish... I know I'd get a big half cabin alloy boat if I had the big cash which I don't :-(
     
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  7. blair

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    hi Geoff. not sure what happened to my previous post must have clicked wrong tab.
    my 4.6 meter aluminium center console webster bass master whith 90 hp evinrude etec is a good all rounder for me. 800 kg gross weight, nice and stable, casting deck at front, good in up to medium chop and following sea. can stand on cutting board at back and cast off that. lots of umder deck storage.
    thx blair
     
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  8. Garfield28

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    Thanks for the reply Blair.

    I really like the center console, it is definitely the way to go for a fishing boat but I worry about how much I'd like it on a cold blowy morning heading out face in the wind first thing in the morning... but room wise to be able to fish 5 - 6 people anywhere around the boat it is awesome.

    Starting to think I may just hang onto my rig as I know I'll lose when I sell it and maybe other than the weight when being towed I do like my boat
     
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  9. blair

    blair Active Member

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    if by yourself its ok sitting on seat/esky behind windscreen, I fitted a toughned glass one. u will cop some spray quartering into offshore windy chopping conditions.
    everything is a compromise in boats.
    I would have a look at your trailer setup such as a fitting a trailer mate, easier winch, check rollers are turning easily grease your skid plates, nice long tag line, if u haven't already done all that.
    cheers
     
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  10. Garfield28

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    Thanks for the tips mate.

    I'm starting to lean towards keeping what I have and spend a few bucks on it. She's a decent boat, but heavy I will lose money on it and probably won't be happy with what I replace it with so may as well battle on with a heavy tow and try and look at the drive on drive off trailer as someone has suggested, just not sure if that means getting a new trailer or if I can tinker with the one I have and add that setup.

    I think ideally I'd love a center console boat for when I have extras up home to take out and have the space, but when I think about it that isn't very often at all so what's the point, and I'd love a half cab to do a few over-nighters with the wife or son when he is keen and just slip straight outside, but they just don't have the fishing room out the back unless you unload heaps for one and I'm not in a position to do that.

    Thanks for the replies and advice guys, appreciate it heaps.
    Geoff
     
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